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PSA: Don't force your headcanon as canon.

More specifically.

Don't shove down my throat and tell me these kinds of bullshit.

Fuck by wishuponacrane


It's okay to interpret Chara as good. It's okay to headcanon Chara WAS good. It's okay to interpret Chara is a actually a tragic, sympathetic child.

But please remember, that they'll only be INTERPRETATIONS.  They will never be CANON.

Besides.

There is literally nothing good shown about Chara in game. Even Asriel said that "Chara wasn't a good person.".

Chara is mentioned in the Pacifist Run through the recorders on how THEY LAUGHED at Asgore for having BUTTERCUP POISONING.

Chara is mentioned by Asriel that THEY TRIED TO KILL THE HUMANS when they were fused together.

Chara appears in the Genocide run with BLEEDING EYES and a NIGHTMARE FACE and they DESTROY the entire game.

Chara appears at the end of a Post-Genocide-Pacifist run where THEY LAUGH MANIACALLY as the screen fades to black or where they are seen in a picture WITH EVERYONE'S FACES CROSSED OUT.

Chara is known to HATE HUMANITY.

Where is the goodness there?

"But they tried to sacrifice themselves to free the monsters."

    Did it ever say what were their intentions? Was it good? Bad? Where is your basis?

"But it's the PLAYER that teaches Chara how to do bad things."

    
    Where is your basis?

"But--"
   
    WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR BASIS?

Show me proof. Show me SOLID proof WITHIN game that Chara did something good. The Chara had GOOD intentions. Don't show me interpretations.

Don't LINK me Judgement Boy's' shitty theory.

Show me ACTUAL in game screenshots to where it says Chara IS a good child.

Until then.

Don't force your headcanon as canon.
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SkyLovewings13 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think I am a little late and I don't know if you watch this because your a Chara Hater but here is my opinion in a nutshell www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpd… and the follow up and don't just ignore it just listen to it and try to understand and send your feedback in the end of the video and if you watch this already then OK you can keepnyour opinion.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Student Filmographer
this thread is 2 years old
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SkyLovewings13 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 13, 2018  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know but I can't help but tell my personal opinion sometimes (sorry if this doesn't make sense)
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AmimaMago Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2018
"There is literally nothing good shown about Chara in game"
Of course there nothing good about them in the game.
1. They were seen as the future of humans and monsters by Asgore"Chara you can't give up you are the future of monsters and humans "
2.Gave to monsters hope"He brought the human back to the castle.Over time, ASRIEL and the human became like siblings.The King and Queen treated the human child as their own.The underground was full of hope."
3.Were the only one that could understood Asriel"I'am doing this because you are special Chara you are the only one who understands me", "I said it BEFORE (in life) even after all this time you still the one who understands me"
4.Played very much with Asriel"Your the only with who its funny to play"
"
 Remember when we used to play here? Hee hee hee... Boy! Today's gonna be just as fun."
5.Knitted a sweater that took few months for Asgore"And a pink hand knitted sweater that says "Mr. Dad guy", "Still has that sweater"
6.Were very close to Asgore "
. I've tried hundreds of ways to get him to show me them... But he just won't. Chara. I know he'll do it for YOU"
7.Is mistaken for Frisk In exclusively pacifist run (besides the genocide run) by Asriel "Chara are you there its me your best friend "
8.The dreemur's family photo is angled to Chara's bed just like they were the last thing they want to see before they close their eyes. You can say its only coincidence but remember Undertale it's  a video game and a game that has very little explicit things. So, do you think that Toby would includes this detail for no reason while knowing that people would believe Chara loved the dreemurs because of this detail.? 
8.Chara becomes completely silent when you check the dreemurs photo in New home in genocide instead of saying "nothing useful"as they do for the most things in this run
9.Chara's memories is something that allows you to save Asriel.Whatever its was Chara or not who shared the memories the fact still a fact :its was Chara's memories that allows you to save Asriel
10.Is described to have a strong feeling of hope in their eyes"Young one when I look at you I remember a human that feel down here a long time ago, you have the same feeling of hope in your eyes"

That of course isnt good things at all,  right?  

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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Student Filmographer
tldr

you're trying to defend a 2 year old thread and you just wasted your time typing all of this nonsense.
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AmimaMago Featured By Owner Edited Mar 27, 2018
(Sorry in advance for my bad English i'am Russian. So I hope that you will at least understand the main points) 
"There is literally nothing good shown about Chara in game. Even Asriel said that "Chara wasn't a good person""

Asriel literally says "I don't know why I ever acted like you were the same person maybe... the truth is... Chara wasn't really the greatest person while you Frisk you are the to type of friend I wish I always haz"He realized that Chara isn't Frisk because he realized that "maybe Chara wasn't really the greatest person "while Frisk spared everyone that attacked them meanwhile Chara doesn't hesitated to kill the attackers.Its also worth to mention that even after realized that Chara wasn't "the greatest person "he still assume that Chara wanted monsters's freedom"After all everyone get free right? I still kind of sad to know how long its took so maybe its wasn't the perfect decision "Yes, he see his decision to resist and spare the humans as not a perfect one because if he didn't monsters would get free a long time ago. Not only that but he assume in the credits of the true pacifist run that Chara not only care about monsters's happiness but always did"Seems like everyone is perfectly happy. Monsters returned to the surface.Peace and harmony will rule across the land. Take a deep breath, there is nothing left to worry about", "always "because he ask them to"take a deep breath"as in life they were always worried about the monsters.He reassures Chara that everyone is happy because he assume that Chara cared about them
So the reason why he admit that Chara" wasn't really the greatest person "was definitely not because he realized that Chara was selfish or cruel
"Chara is mentioned in the Pacifist Run through the recorders on how THEY LAUGHED at Asgore for having BUTTERCUP POISONING."

"I should have laughed it off like you did". In fact Asriel says that he "should have laughed it off like Chara did ",Asriel wouldn't see laugh at his dad suffer as a good thing(he isn't stupid) so since Toby took pain to includes Asriel's acknowledgement  , its appears like this laugh wasn't sadistic.So here what kind of laugh it was :www.google.fr/amp/s/dictionary…. That make sence with the context of confusion beetwen "cups of butter "and "buttercups"as we can easily make many puns with that , with Asriel's acknowledgment and with the game itself as many characters often "laugh"of their problems to cope with them.Also since Chara used this horrible method to die its very likely that they felt very very bad about Asgore's poisoning (some people claim that they use this method to hide their suicide but come on: they only realized that those plants are toxic when they poisoned Asgore so why would they thought  that the symptoms on humans could be different?)

"Chara is mentioned by Asriel that THEY TRIED TO KILL THE HUMANS when they were fused together.".

Yes , they did wanted to kill in self defence
"humans attacked with everything they had"and likely because they thought those people deserve to die. Could they be evil for the sake of evil "just "because of that? They arent a saint , sure and I can only agree with that.

"Chara appears in the Genocide run with BLEEDING EYES and a NIGHTMARE FACE and they DESTROY the entire game"

Yeah but did you even thought why they did?. During the whole genocide path, they thought that you were in some kind of mission:reach "the absolute ""Now we have reach the absolute there is nothing left for us here"(lv 20 is the max as Sans says) with power and erase the world"let us erase this pointless world and move on to the the next" Why would you else kill everyone if its not for a mission? just for fun? And after all Chara themself says that the world destruction is the consequence of your actions which also endorces my idea "its was you pushed everything to its edge its was you who led the world to its destruction but you cannot accept it you think you are above consequences "This line "That was fun let finish the job"in the demo version of the genocide run also confirms that Chara see this run as a "job"And they realized that its was the reason they awoke because of your guidance"Why was I brought back to life?  you with your guidance I realized the purpose of my reincarnation Power"It is interesting to notice that "with your guidancei realized the purpose of my reincarnation  "line comes right after "why I was brought back to life ", that basically confirms that the line "with your guidance I realized the purpose of my reincarnation "doesn't mean "you with your help I achieve the purpose of my reincarnation "but rather that they doesn't understood themself the reason they awoke until you showed them.

"Chara appears at the end of a Post-Genocide-Pacifist run where THEY LAUGH MANIACALLY as the screen fades to black or where they are seen in a picture WITH EVERYONE'S FACES CROSSED OUT."
Regardless, they clearly doesn't  enjoy a repeated genocide 
"there is a reason why you continue to destroy this world there is a reason why you continue to recreate it you you are saysked with a perverted sentimentality I cannot understand those feelings anymore. . Despite this I feel obligated to suggest would you choose to recreate this world once more, another path would be better suited"
In fact they accuse you to have "a perverted sentimentality "that push you to recreate, destroy and refuses to erase the world"That feeling you have this is what I spoke of"and suggest you to choose "a better path".Nothing implies that Chara have done something to humanity in any neutral ending while they in fact join the surface with Frisk. And love only affects monsters since they are made of magic"because they are made of magic monsters are attuned to their souls the crueller the intentions of our enemies the more their attacks will hurt us"that's why love increases damages on monsters and why love is called "A measurement of someone's capacity to hurt".That doesn't affects humans since they are made of physical matter. So Chara could not destroy all humanity in the same way we did monsters. That all basically confirms that the reason why they kill your friends in genocide is not because they are a one dimensional psycho but perhaps to not left you without consequences of what you've done

"Chara is known to HATE HUMANITY.

Where is the goodness there?

"But they tried to sacrifice themselves to free the monsters."

    Did it ever say what were their intentions? Was it good? Bad? Where is your basis?"

So hating humanity make them automatically evil right?? That's kind of VERY VERY VERY antropocentric, egocentric and specist(and many characters in the game are in fact misantropic but aren't evil)  So here some facts that indicates Chara's motive. 

1. There is no way for Chara to know that the control would be split between them and Asriel as its written nowhere in the game. Even monsters doesn't mention the fact that humans's souls could rebel and prevent them to eradicate humanity. And Asriel himself mention that the control was "ACTUALLY "split beetwen them. Which indicates that he was surprised. But yeah in fact he says that they will free monsters together "We'll do it together right? "but he also has an idea that consciousness remains in souls"if you don't have soul what happens when you.. "So its seems like he knew that Chara would be on his side and uses this to reassures himself that he won't be alone into killing. So in the case Chara doesn't knew about control split then they only wanted to free monsters because they only trust Asriel to take 6 sous and break the barrier.There is also a common misconception :that they made the wish to see the flowers to force Asriel to back their body to the village, manipulate the villagers into thinking that Asriel killed them so Asriel would kill them in self defense and wage a war.However monsters themselves says that they couldn't do anything to realize their wish "The human became very ill.The sick human had only one request.To see the flowers from their village.But there was nothing we could do.The next day.The next day.The human died."Which confirms that their wish could be only realized while they were alive. That make sence, after all how an empty dead body could "see the flowers"?. Considering  that , their wish had nothing to do with "back their body to body village". So,again that ruin the theory which says that Chara's plan was to wage a war

2.In the case Chara knew about the control split then they would also knew that the  other humans'souls in Asriel's body could take control whatever they want. As much I believe that Chara could take control of Asriel and force him to destroy humanity, with 6 persons more Chara could not destroy humanity because they would only get 1/8 of the control over Asriel's body. The souls would quickly rebel and ruin their plan"They were the one who wanted to use our full, I was the one who resisted'. Its practically impossible for them to destroy humanity considering that

3.Chara themself describe their plan as common with Asriel. In fact they says "Our plan is failed right? "instead of "my plan"(the Japanese official version confirmed that "our "is refers to them and Asriel). In the case its was something else they would call it "my plan"So that speaking for itsself lol

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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Filmographer
i can't believe you're replying to months / year old thread

again. i'm not saying chara is evil

im just saying

chara isn't good.
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2017
Ok so let's say that the sad reason for why Chara climbed Mt. Ebott is depression, that would explain the hatred for humans, also she didn't want to kill the monsters until she knew they were going to kill Asriel. The laughing at Asgore when he's poisoned might be hysterical laughter you know? The Chara with the scary face in both runs is probably because they're pushed to insanity by seeing everyone die and too much love? IDK The they tried to sacrifice themselves for monster freedom isn't true, umm why else would Chara kill humans by poisoning themselves VERY painfully? If they just wanted to just kill humans, I'm PRETTY sure that they could just kill themselves quickly. The But it's the player that teaches Chara how to do things... DID YOU EVER PLAY THE PACIFIST RUN? THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING BAD THERE DID THEY?? WHY? CAUSE YOU DIDN'T KILL ANYONE!
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2017  Student Filmographer
where was it stated that they have depression?
did toby fox ever say anything about that nor did the game specifically mention it?

those are all your little headcanons that aren't canon.
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Okay you're right those little headcanons ARE headcanons but what you can't ignore is Chara's role in the Genocide and Pacifist run. In the Pacifist run, s/he's the narrator which is pretty much 100% confirmed by the when Frisk is looking into the mirror and I QUOTE "I am Chara." She also gives helpful information in the Pacifist run and NEVER killed anyone, which is because Frisk or you never killed anyone. In the Genocide run that's when she started killing, and keep in mind YOU the player are the first one to kill not Chara, even though it's Chara who gets the bash. So really it is sort of the player's fault, I mean Chara only started killing after you started killing. Also did Toby Fox canon Frisk was a good character NOPE (unless I didn't see it) did he canon Chara was a bad person? I don't think so. So really it's you who needs to stop shoving this down people's throats.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2017  Student Filmographer
Lmao. you're the one shoving here, fam.

You filled my reply box tryna defend a thread that's months old. Salty much?
No matter what you say, headcanons will never be canon.

Unless Toby stated himself that Chara is *insert sympathetic headcanon here* then I'll believe you ; )

But for now, please promptly fuck off.
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2017
Welp here comes the F-bomb
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2017  Student Filmographer
Oh, I'm sorry. Do you want me to say something else? :0
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2017
No thanks! :3
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student Filmographer
Okay then! <3 Fuck off ;3c
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2017
Ok, just show a screenshot that Chara IS a bad person and that my reasons were incorrect.
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killb94 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2017  Student Filmographer
If Chara is innocent, then who the hell is the bad guy?

Defenders: "YOU ARE, FOR PICKING PACIFIST, IT MEANS THAT CHARA BECOMES EVIL IN SOME CONVOLUTED WAY!!!"

...Fuck off.
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Do you really want a solid proofs or better do you want a game's facts with screens which says Chara is good/neutral ?You should read that post which explain LITERALLY everything about Chara without any speculation :determinators.tumblr.com/post/… and it's why many people think Chara is not evil
PS:Good look because it a really complete game's analysis and evil Chara it's just a theory and Asriel said"I don't now why i ever acted like you were the same person maybe the true is Chara wasn't really the greatest person"just Jesus was the greatest person but you and I are a good persons.After the reading you will never see Chara in the same light .
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Now you now than Evil Chara it's just an interpretation ,YOUR interpretation and STILL A THEORY,a speculation as other ones (even if we have much evidences for passive Chara).If you want to believe in" Always Evil Chara" you can but don't come to say than it's canon because that character is open for interpretation and it's why Toby Fox never said anything about that's character because he want than everybody have their own interpretation .
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Do you read all post because its not just about narrator Chara ?and its NOT just a speculation because we have so much evidences(or it's can be the greatest coincidence ever in the whole story of video gamesXD) in the game it's self and this post give a evidences at the beginning of the game until the end and it's not just about the narration it's explains many others things about that character as than they really poisoned theyself to free the monsters because their remember the words which says than they are the futur of humans and monsters when Frisk go to sleep and because they said in genocide run than it's was both's plan(free the monsters with 6 human's souls) which was failed and not their own plan and Flowey confirms they are awake even in pacifict run and so much other evidences just read the entirety of this post you will understand what i mean .You said than you want a solid proofs in game for good Chara there is all the proofs (It's not just because they are the narrator, they cannot be the narrator even if Temmie Chang does Chara narrator reference in a video).Can you give a solid game's facts which proove Chara is so evil(without your old "proofs") .?
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alhasn Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2018
"it's *a* coffin,there is *a* name engraved on it 'Chara'." "you called out *their* name" "name *the* fallen human"
-the narrator refer to Chara as third person/someone else,in naturel/pacifist
undyne is *thinking* about her friends" "papyrus *realized* that he doesn't have ears"
-unless Chara can read minds,it would be impossible for them to have this information. there are also other things that Chara shouldn't be able to know,yet the narrator does such as:
1-the stats and the effects of all the items
2-the name of all the almost all the monster.
-the narrator says thing like "No data" which implies that they are an AI,or part of code of some kind
-why would Chara be helping a HUMAN of all things?
-Chara was self-aware BEFORE you fell "it is as comfortable as it looks"
Chara was feeling discomfort in the coffin that they ware removed from before you fall, meaning that you DT is not what awakened them and thus don't have to be stuck with you  
-sadism in an average person starts at LV8 (you can see this by punching mad dummy) while Chara say "that was fun let's finish the job" at LV4
-you can reach LV15 in naturel but you wont get any red text,that shows Chara communicating with you because you spared someone and thus they can't fully eradicate the enemy and they also can't kill sans and get you to LV 20 and thus they can not realize (achieve) the purpose of their reincarnation that being power and eradicating the "enemy", giving them no reason to cooperate with you, you are a "failure" to them,that is supported through the lines "The comedian got away.failure" "Strongly feel [?] are left,we shouldn't proceed yet" they FEEL how many monsters are left somehow?they have a demonic sense that tells them how many living souls are left? tell me how can they do that if they are normal human kid?
-most of the "evidence" this theory has can be debunked easly
1-the "dirty joke" that you told to washowa is made by YOU,not Chara.
2-the narrator is NOT complitly silent in toriel's and Asgore's fight,"Asgore's HP is low" "Knows what best for you" "Asgore attacks" "You told Asgore that he had killed you once before. he nods saddly"
-Chara speaks in complix and overly dramatic deluge,while the narrator speaks normally.
-it's implied that Chara is SOULless
1-they can take the SOULs if their own spesice,something only SOULless being are able to do.
2-DT\LV or what ever freed them from their tomb and COMPELTLY revived them, can only revive conciousness,not SOULs.
and as we see with Flowey,SOULless beings are unable to feel sympathy.
-bosses die in one hit genocide because monsters get damaged more depending on the intention of the attacker,you might be saying that this is just because the LV you gain,but nope,again you can reach LV15 in naturel but you wont be able to OHKO anyone,while in genocide you do that by LV4, Chara's presents is required to do that, their hate is what help you kill them,they hate every single one of the bosses, possibly for the fallowing reasons
-toriel: for replacing them with another childe................ 7 times,that's the same way flowey feels,if you checked a certain echo flower after passing through it you will hear(read) this:
"Where oh where could that child be...? I've been looking all over for them...
Hee hee hee. THAT'S not true. She'll find another kid, and instantly forget about you. You'll NEVER see her again." [Final flower field, crossed through and then backtracked to the second flower, if Toriel was spared]
2-Papyrus:for being "forgetful"
3-monster kid: for being in their way
4-mettaton:for defending humans
5-sans for being so hard as shown by their facial expression if you reset after beating him
6-asgore for not using the souls to eradicate humanity
7-flowey\asriel:the same reason they call you a failure,because asriel failed them which also cased them their life.
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AmimaMago Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2018
alhasn. All evidences for narrator Chara are here:determinators.tumblr.com/post/…. Also since when they call the player a failure? When you fail to kill Snowdrake its a failure of your" job"
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2017  Student Filmographer
You're wasting your time commenting on this months old post.
I still stand on what I think about Chara.

Also literally the first thing that comes up is a speculation of Chara being the narrator lmao. It was never proven that Chara is the narrator.
Implied. Yes.

But not outright proven.
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RunataLinkerNRS Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
BEST EXPLANATION!!! TEM OUTTA TEM!!!!!!1
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InsaneHipsterTeto Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
 The only thing I really disagree with is the laughing AT Asgore thing. It COULD be seen as them being truly malicious, but it could also be a way of dealing with grief. But whatever. You have your headcannons, and I'll have mine
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shadowrosa6 Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Eh, *shrug* I say just headcannon what you want and don't let anyone try to change your opinion. ^^

Personally, Chara is a Chaotic-neutral character to me, being very messed up by the past I wrote for them. The laughing at poisoning Asgore thing was something they picked up from an older sibling who did the same(laughing at others' pain) and hating most of humanity was due to something their father did. All they wanted to do was help their new monster family, even if it meant killing humans. As for Chara appearing at the end of the genocide route, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, being linked to Frisk's soul due to being their twin is very bad in a genocide route, as when one goes dark, so does the other one. ^^;

I could say more about my headcannon, but I'd probably just bore you XD But it's just my headcannon, it's not cannon like you said. It's only cannon in my own mind. Not gonna force it on anyone XD

I did have more to say, but I've lost the train of thought I just had and I probably won't go looking for it anytime soon. XDD
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Vocaloidevil Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2016  Student General Artist
Geeze, all these people who are wondering why they need screenshots :T It's a theory. Stop trying to ruin other peoples headcannons. This is a mysterious CHARActer (sorry I had to :P) Look, what i'm trying to say is, treat others like you'd want to be treated. Because it's people who dont do that that miss the entire point of the game
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adax123 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 27, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with Crane.
Headcanons never will be canon.I don't get this comment section.
Is this really that hard to understand ? There is a huge difference between a theory and a fact.Here is an easy exemple:
Canon:Chara's age and gender is unknown.Was it ever told that Chara is male or female ? No it wasn't so it's a FACT.
Headcanon:Chara is female,becouse her name sounds like this and i saw many fanarts that show Chara as a girl.This is a headcanon
becouse it was NEVER TOLD that Chara is FEMALE and it's just a drawn interpretation or theory.
(i don't know if this is a good exemple,that was the first that came to my mind...)
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2017
Show me a screenshot that states that Chara is EVIL not just "not a very good person" 
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BevinOlson Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is the one thing that struck me as odd about this comment section. You all seem to think the same thing, that Chara is good in some way. Now, however, here's some things to think about:

1. How do you know what Chara and Asriel were doing while the tapes were playing, if the screen was entirely black? For all you know, it's possible that something entirely different from your initial thought may have occurred.
2. Every one of the comments have their own headcanon, but that doesn't mean it's true. The game was left up to the interpretation of the player, and the player decides what they want to think.
3. The majority of you sound like you are trying to shove your beliefs down others' throats. However, I insist that you don't do this, as everyone has their right to an opinion and theory about the game.


Those are some things to think about, but alongside that, there's this main one:

Who's really the villain here? A character of a game, or the fandom, which chooses to pit itself against other fans, just to try and get them to believe their headcanon? The very same members of the fandom, which, even a year later, still haven't improved their digital footprint and their mark that they're leaving against the Undertale fandom?

Please, think about these before you reply to this journal or this comment, and instead of ranting, stay calm and express your opinions politely. There are times in which everyone is to blame for the actions of humans, and there are times in which the blame falls upon a specific group. Make the right choice.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Student Filmographer
see this

this my son right here.
im proud of this son yes.
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CuteLittleItalian6 Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016
Ok I really don't normally comment on stuff like this but I wanted to share my points on how it is more in favor of Chara being good. First the fact that Asriel said Chara wasn't a good person and honestly they probably weren't but that may be from the lack of emotion or anything they gave him and he is a child so when Chara made their plan it probably caused him to see a whole different side of Chara, he's never really known much violence due to being sheltered and born in the underground so when Chara came up with such a horrific idea and he had to watch them die a very painful death it changed how he looked at them. Now onto my second thought, Chara laughed it off when Asgore was sick but laughter is a coping mechanism and many characters have done the same thing I mean look at Papyrus he's a loser and you have the option to tell him that exact thing but he wont care he will just laugh it off and continue on with his normal demeanor, just laughing at a bad situation doesn't make you a bad person it just may be the way they cope with the situation. Another thing is if Chara really wanted to kill the humans and get revenge on them they could have killed their monster family and easily done it but they didn't because Chara may actually have loved them and can you blame them for hating humanity Asriel states that Chara fell down the hole for a bad reason so it can be assumed that they were probably abused by humans in some way leading to their hatred of them but if Asriel didn't really care about Chara and if Chara was so cruel to him then he wouldn't have given them a best friend locket, he wouldn't have stayed near their grave as a flower, and he wouldn't have cried for them during his boss battle. Now onto the Genocide Route things, Chara only starts to behave malevolently after YOU the player fill them with so much LOVE that it warps their view of how the world works it is obvious that Chara is easily impressionable and it is the player who makes them truly bring out that side and like its said the more you kill the easier it is not to feel it so after filling Chara with so much LOVE they are mostly like Flowey, unable to feel anything anymore. Also the crossed out picture is just a reminder of what you did in the Genocide Route like many other things it just is reminding you that you will never have a true happy ending ever again it has no meaning to Chara being evil or not. Also while we are on this topic think about anything Chara has done and compare it to most of the things Flowey has done, he was consumed by power just like Chara was and what he did with that power was much more violent and selfish than anything Chara tried to do I know Flowey was mostly fueled by loneliness and guilt and the feeling of having all of these people he is supposed to love but not being able to feel anything for them that drove him to the point of insanity but what he did was much more evil than Chara's actions but no one ever blames him and they love him and call him a cute little flower but he tried to kill you 3 seconds into the game, Chara doesn't even interact with you until you become the true villian if you want to call someone evil then look in the mirror because the only true evil person is the one who killed everyone with no remorse at all. I suspect you wont read this or care but I just can't sit by and not voice my opinion on this because I am tired of so many people saying Chara is just an evil person with no feelings at all for anyone else. 
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XxLyxxX Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Well said, my friend.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Student Filmographer
All of what you said

Are INTERPRETATIONS OF CHARA.

They aren't facts. That is your headcanon.

Show me a screenshot to prove your point. Till then.

Chara being good is a HEADCANON therefore is not CANON.
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2017
And Chara being evil is a HEADCANON and not CANON. Unless you show me a screenshot of the game or Toby Fox stating Chara is in fact evil, cause if you think Chara as a narrator isn't canon with all the evidence that s/he IS, Chara being evil will forever be a headcanon
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2017  Student Filmographer
Never said that they were evil either, fam.
Read my journal again if you'd like 83c 
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2017
True true but you're obviously saying that Chara isn't good
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2017  Student Filmographer
Yes, because that is a headcanon that will never be canon<3
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Glorybringershipper Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2017
And apparently, since you can't even accept that Chara as a narrator is canon even though the huge amount of evidence, then until we both show screenshots of Toby Fox, the game, or another person who worked on Undertale Chara being good or bad is just a headcanon.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student Filmographer
Headcanons will never be canon <3 No matter how much "evidence" you shit out sweetie <3
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XxLyxxX Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Why must everything have screenshots? Ever heard of LOGIC?
How about I say black holes don't exist and you fly to outer space and take a picture of it to show me? Which is completely impossible because black holes are invisible themselves as they trap light.
Screenshot
Screenshot
Screenshot
Need concrete proof.
I recommend using your freaking logic, thank you.
Otherwise, you can continue thinking Chara is not good and all that BS. Imagine if Toby states it himself. You will not be able to argue.
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Edited Sep 26, 2016  Student Filmographer
Logic is interpretation.

Interpretation isn't facts.

Logic IS NOT a fact.

The reason why I ask for screenshots is so that you can PROVE to me what you're saying is true. Until then, it will stay as an INTERPRETATION.

It will stay as a HEADCANON.

And it will NEVER be CANON.

If Toby says otherwise, then Chara being good will be a TRUE FACT from now on.

But did he ever say anything? Nope.

You can't argue with facts. No matter what you try to defend about Chara, it'll always be an INTERPRETATION.
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AmazingMazin Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Filmographer
"Ever heard of LOGIC?"

Chara literally controlled Frisk when Sans introduces you to Papyrus.

'Nuff said.
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XxLyxxX Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
lol
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rune3691 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 26, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I hated people who bashed me over Chara is not evil.
I say she's mean with a mess up life on the surface to me, but it's okay to have different opinion.
I'd never did the Genocide cause I just wanted the Happy Ending.
But don't forced it down on my throats.
I have head-cannons too.
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ProfShiro Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
tbh I don't really care if chara gets interpretated as good. I interpretate them as good and evil tbh XD for me it depends how I feel and how I see them at the moment. :'D
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wishuponacrane Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2016  Student Filmographer
same tho. that's why i don't understand these triggered people. all i did was state facts :'')

i don't mind how people interpret chara. i just hate it when they force the interpretation on everyone. 
i love all kinds of chara to be honest. my own headcanon is that chara was good but then became an evil lil shit 8D 
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